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*choke*

I swore I wasn't going to get too upset about any individual signatory to That Petition. I don't intend to boycott them (though it sure as hell would be nice to have the option to do so without effectively having to abandon my chosen profession, even if it wouldn't change my choice). I'm terribly cynical in not being surprised by most of them, and I'm not going to get bent out of shape about the misguided opinions and/or motivations of people I don't know, etc. etc. etc...

And oh holy gods Emma Thompson no.

Bye-bye detachment. Nice knowing ya.

:: clings to "No" list ::

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nycdeb
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
she what????????????????????????????????????

*stares*
suzvoy
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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maiac
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
*SOB*

ithildyn
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
Argh!! I almost read the list of names squinting, afraid I'm going to see the name of someone I really don't want to see on the list. She's the first one -- so far (or that I know of)

ETA: Harrison Ford. Unbelievable.

Edited at 2009-10-07 08:46 pm (UTC)
sventhelost
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
Crap, I thought I was looking at the "no list" when I saw his name, 'cause I fail at Firefox today. I've been trying so hard to hold on to the respect I once had for him.
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phantomminuet
Oct. 7th, 2009 09:17 pm (UTC)
This breaks my heart. :-(
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
I still feel kicked in the stomach. And annoyed with myself for it, because I really really wasn't going to do that.

Alas, my emotional impulses didn't get the memo.
yeopard
Oct. 7th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
Gosh
I wonder what list the then 13 year old girl would sign? Seems like the people on the support list have conveniently forgotten that a child was victimized.

I really don't understand the cult of personality that so many stars have amongst their followers/fans (whether they're in the industry like Thompson or not). Rip the profession away and every one is the same. A Person. A person who is bound by the laws in the country they live in or are residing in at the time. I don't care if you were Ghandi or Mother Teresa. If you break the freaking law, you get punished for it. What other community service you do has no bearing on the fact that you SHOULD BE punished. Gosh, if I win the Nobel Peace Prize does that get me a get out of jail free card if I choose to start a crime spree? People need to grow up and stop glamorizing people just because they're in some profession. Actors, singers, sports figures, whomever. It just plain doesn't matter. We're all bound by the same rules.
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wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
Which is why I alluded to "misguided motivations and opinions" above. It's clear from a lot of what I've been reading that people don't understand, for example, how plea bargains work. A judge can't go back on them, because judges don't make them. They're hammered out between the prosecution and defense, and then brought before the judge, who decides whether or not to accept it.

If Polanski had shown up in court for sentencing and the judge had indeed rejected the plea bargain, he would then have been free to withdraw the "guilty" plea on the lesser charge and go forward to trial.

Long story short, I get why some people are persuaded by the various arguments out there, and I'm not even a little bit impressed.

Especially since Polanski's legal team submitted a new motion to dismiss the case in 2008, based partly on the allegations put forth in the docu. The (new) judge agreed that it was worth looking into, but made it clear that such a proceeding CANNOT go any further without the defendant present.

Which also blows the "Why are they arresting him NOW?" conspiracy theories out of the water. The simple answer is "He dared them to."
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poohmusings
Oct. 7th, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
I have to wonder if some of these people think they're signing a "Roman Polanski's made some really great movies" petition. Because the thought they knowingly signed a "It's totally okay Roman Polanski raped a little girl" petition makes me sick to my stomach. And, quite frankly, should make them sick to their stomachs too.
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
Part of the reason I've been working so hard not to be disappointed in individuals is that we can't know their reason for signing. We don't know their level of information on the subject, or any of a number of other factors.

I personally can't understand why one would (a) sign something without a depth of knowledge of the facts, or (b) sign this one if one did have a depth of knowledge of the facts. But I find it feasible that many of them (c) believe they have a depth of knowledge of the facts that they actually don't.
damedini
Oct. 7th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
There were so many names on there that killed me. Woody Allen? No surprise there. Emma Thompson, Nathalie Portman, Isabelle Adjani - these names on that travesty really really hurt me. How can they possibly justify this in their minds?

I sort of hope that someone like Quentin Tarantino makes a thinly veiled movie about this, one that's pretty wrenching. Because people just don't seem to grok that this was a horrific crime.
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
How can they possibly justify this in their minds?

I can think of a number of possibilities. This is actually a hazard of petitions in general -- people can have a million reasons for signing them because they want the outcome the petition is asking for, without agreeing with everything actually stated in the petition. I personally couldn't do that, but that's up to the individual.

It's possible to want the outcome of his being released without condoning his crime. I couldn't do it myself, but it's possible.
macdubh31
Oct. 7th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
Does anyone truly care what someone thinks just because they're an actor/actress/musician? I don't. They have a right to their opinions, but most -- if not all -- people in the entertainment industry are full of shit.
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
With all due respect, if you don't care, why comment?

I care because I am in said industry, and hate that it's one more piece of evidence that we're all full of shit. I've been pretty darn restrained in expressing my dismay at that.
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quasievil_bunny
Oct. 7th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
The thing to remember is that celebs are people too. They have a right to their opinions, even if they do not match our own. Whether or not you choose to support, or abandon them is also your right of choice.

I too am distressed that there are so many supporters on that list, but it's not for me to judge that.

However, I agree with director Kevin Smith's stand on his Twitter account, "Do the crime, do the time."

Edited at 2009-10-07 11:58 pm (UTC)
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
The thing to remember is that celebs are people too. They have a right to their opinions, even if they do not match our own.

I've never said any differently.

That's actually why I've been trying so hard to be detached. I don't know these people, and have no way of knowing what thought process led them to deciding they should sign their name to this document.

I take issue with the statements of the petition itself, and with the fact that it immediately became the de facto position of the industry as a whole. The individual signers... Like I said, I'm trying not to be upset by them. In this case that didn't work out so well. *wry g*

Edited at 2009-10-08 02:09 pm (UTC)
butterflykiki
Oct. 8th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
*facepalms*

I just... do not get the logic. Sentencing wonkiness aside, and I can't follow it so I don't care, why do they think he should be freed for a crime he confessed to? That he fled the country for? Dude. I just.

Where are there brains??
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I do get the logic. I don't agree with a single one of the arguments floating around, but there are plenty of generally sensible people -- public figures and not -- buying one or more of them.
havocthecat
Oct. 8th, 2009 04:19 am (UTC)
I was going to try not to get annoyed, but then Janeane Garofalo had her own fail about it. *facepalm* It sounds like someone needs to hit her over the head with some facts, I think.
wiliqueen
Oct. 8th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
From what I've seen, she had some waffly maybe-fail, but she did at least clearly say she personally wouldn't sign it. The waffling sounded to me mostly like trying to make sense of why people did.
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