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So, we found out Friday that Dollhouse had been renewed, due to various news outlets plus Miracle bouncing about it on Facebook. Which implies that she has a job, which is interesting for spoilery reasons.

The official line was that they were waiting until after Salvation came out to make a decision about TSCC, which I presumed to translate as they had decided, but weren't going to announce it until then, to make it look like they took the movie into consideration.

Apparently that idea has been scrapped, as the official word is now out: No more TSCC.

Like many people, I'm disappointed but not surprised. Unlike many of those same people, I'm very pleased about Dollhouse. And I hate feeling like saying so is a slap in the face to friends.

Clarification edit: I never claimed it was a rational response, and I don't actually expect you guys to be pissed at me for it or anything. It's just an unfortunate consequence of how the decision and announcement process fell out. I shall recover my squee in due course. :-)


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May. 18th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
I'm disappointed but not surprised.

Me too.

I'm very pleased about Dollhouse.

I'm glad you're going to get more of a show you like, and I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm annoyed by the concept and staying away, but I'm glad you like it.

I hate feeling like saying so is a slap in the face to friends.

I, for one, don't feel like it's a slap at all. You are liking your show: YAY! Any time we have shows that are "ours" renewed feels like a victory. Of the five shows I've been watching regularly, FOUR have been renewed, plus Doctor Who. I feel like the world is made of win for me. I mean, when was the last time I had FIVE shows--all genre--going strong???

Now, I DO think it's too bad that Sarah Connor isn't coming back--as do you--and I'd have rather had it than Dollhouse, which I'm not watching, but I also think that Joss played things VERY smart by making the low-budget ep to prove it could be done, and I think, like you said, that the SCC decision had been made LONG ago and just hadn't been announced.

May. 18th, 2009 05:04 pm (UTC)
I appreciate that, and I didn't really think you guys would. Mostly, anyway.

It's just that the way Fox's decision process fell out means that, on a gut level for a lot of people, yesterday it was "I'm really liking this show that is all kinds of problematic." Which I was conscious of, but basically okay with. And today it's "I'm really liking the show for which TSCC was sacrificed." Which irks me.

Edited at 2009-05-18 09:17 pm (UTC)
May. 18th, 2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
I don't see it as a sacrifice at all. I DO feel like it's unfortunate that the show that is, wrt women, all kinds of problematic, is the one that survived.

I'm disappointed in a culture and system where the show that, in my view, is all kinds of AWESOME wrt women and powerful women and women as strong, and capable, as competent, as protectors, as mothers and lovers and All Kinds of Awesome...that THAT is the show that didn't survive.

Of course, I'm HELLA glad it got its second season and they got to do all that they did this year, even after the awkwardness of the strike season.

I'm disappointed that the stronger draw is the show that has a concept the very notion of which squicks me out (though I know much of the draw is JOSS, with whom I'm currently frustrated/disappointed re: see-above).

I wish SCC had gotten even just a 6- or 8-ep mini-season, because I KNOW that they could tell a KICKASS story in that time...and probably, given what we've seen, a BETTER and TIGHTER story than they would in 22 or even 13. But that's not the way the industry works, more's the pity.

So, no, I don't at all feel like SCC was sacrificed. I think SCC was dead before its season ender aired, and I know good and well that, given that likelihood, we're damned lucky the last eps even AIRED.

I'm just disheartened at the attitudes that underlie the fact that the show that I find empowering rather than troubling is the one that couldn't find an audience given the world as it stands.

Course, I'm sad that the show in your icon didn't get more. And that The 4400 didn't get more. And that probably a dozen other shows with kickass-fantastic women didn't get more (including the squashed-into-4-hours-S5-of-FS). I'm disappointed at the shows that HAVE been sacrified to "retooling" to attract the desired audience since who the hell would WANT women watching? I'm frustrated at how STRONGLY I feel like a dismissed and devalued audience menber lately, and at the anti-woman attitudes in fandom and society and on TV.

And that's all just...well...lots of piles of stuff.
May. 18th, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
FOUR have been renewed, plus Doctor Who. I feel like the world is made of win for me. I mean, when was the last time I had FIVE shows--all genre--going strong???

Also? This is MASSIVELY awesome. \o/
May. 18th, 2009 06:54 pm (UTC)
I KNOW! Amazing!
May. 18th, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)
Congratulations on the renewal of a series you enjoy!
May. 18th, 2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I'm actually abjectly shocked by it. I've been operating from the beginning on the assumption that it we'd be lucky to see the whole season.
May. 18th, 2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
FWIW I am very excited to hear that they are renewing Doll House.
May. 18th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
Yay! :: is excited with you :: I've been meaning to post about the last couple eps, but it's going to be HUGE.
May. 20th, 2009 09:14 pm (UTC)
LOL I bet it will be a huge post. The last couple of eps were just totally awesome imo. I wonder if Ballard is actually going to be working for the dollhouse long term or just what he has up his sleeve. LOL.
May. 18th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
Sad about TSCC. I thought that show had good everything, better everything than I was expecting when they announced it. I wonder if maybe it had some Farscape syndrome? High cost due to high production values. Because I feel like I was seeing a lot of money on screen, all of which I appreciated.

I'm surprised that Dollhouse got renewed, but I think I'll continue watching it. They've been doing a good job of making it more interesting as things have gone on.
May. 18th, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
I think the cost was definitely a factor. CSI can get away with being that expensive (and it has to be at least as -- it uses darn near as many effects shots, albeit of a differnt style, and has twice the regular cast), but it also has practically the entire planet watching it. It always comes down to cost of the show vs. the eyeballs it lets you deliver to the advertisers.

I'm shocked as hell by Dollhouse, but certainly in the good way.
May. 18th, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way. I wish that SCC was being renewed because so many of my friends deeply enjoy it, but I love Dollhouse so much and I am thrilled about its non-cancellation. On one hand, it's great news for us, but on the other hand it's sort of like sacrificing one goat instead of the other, and it definitely kind of feels like rubbing other's faces in it, which I don't like.

Fox isn't smart about these kinds of things. I'd rather they would have picked both, but I am still very happy that our show is getting renewed.
May. 18th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
What's fascinating me right now is that I was expecting not to get either, and would actually have been okay with that in both cases because of how they ended their respective seasons. And it occurred to me that that's really been true of all my shows lately. Season finales have evolved away from the classic cliffhanger (e.g. "is this person alive or dead???") and into something more satisfying, simultaneously completing season arcs and opening up several times as many new threads.

It's much more satisfying to have questions that you know will take all the complexity of another season to answer, rather than a question of what will happen in the next thirty seconds. And somehow it's easier to leave something there if you never get it back, because it feels more like their world is just going on.
May. 18th, 2009 05:50 pm (UTC)
You know I'm finding your icon for this post deeply ironic. :-)

May. 18th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
The thought occurred. Dear Fox, VICKI NELSON DISAPPROVES. ;-)
May. 18th, 2009 06:29 pm (UTC)
I am sad about TSCC, thought not surprised. I've watched all of Dollhouse, am not overjoyed about it, but not sad about it, either. Will watch next season. Very much enjoyed watching Alan guesting in the last 2 eps of S1. More of Alan is a Good Thing in my world!

The only thing I've still got outstanding at this point is Numb3rs, which I'm very much hoping will get S6. Word on the street is that everything else I like is looking good! Go Us!
May. 18th, 2009 09:54 pm (UTC)
Hope it comes through! I watched an ep or two early on, and it didn't grab me, but I can see why people love it.
May. 18th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
It's entirely finabair's fault. I went visiting one time and she plunked me down in front of most of 1st season. It's not one I'm uber-passionate about, but I do like it. I tend to watch it in "clumps", accumulating 3-5 eps and marathoning...
May. 18th, 2009 10:41 pm (UTC)
Numb3rs is on the bubble? I took it for granted that it was renewed! I thought it got great ratings, for Friday nights...
May. 18th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
I don't *know* that Numb3rs is on the bubble, but I've not seen it discussed *anywhere*. Should know tomorrow, I think... (after 5 seasons, and with another *good* season this year.... )
May. 19th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
I'm actually happy Dollhouse got renewed. :D I look forward to seeing what Joss throws at us next.
May. 19th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
I'm VERY curious!
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