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The People In My TeeVee (part 2)

HOLY HAND GRENADE THIS IS MOST LIKELY THE END OF THIS SHOW AND THEY ARE LEAVING IT THERE. *jawdrop* I mean, I'm actually mostly okay with that -- this is the franchise where nothing ever really ends, after all -- but damn.

Sarah: Somehow in the last few weeks, protecting John has become defined as getting him away from her. And, in single-minded Sarah Connor fashion, she put a time barrier between them in order to pull it off. Which I think was the only way it could be done, frankly, short of her actual death.

Eleven percent of her body mass in six weeks? Damn. Ballpark, we're talking 13 pounds or so knocked off 125. Whether it's cancer or not, there's something wrong there.

Cameron: Motel room. Um. Scary robot, honey, there is no level on which this is not fucked up. 0.o And what the hell was she having him check in there, anyway? (And is it just me, or did it sound like it could have been done with her bra still on?)

I am probably way more geeked than I should be about Cameron marching through the chaos with the single red eye. But hey, you got quarter-century-old cultural icons in your arsenal, you use 'em! And it didn't occur to me until later that her "Hasta luego" to Gangbanger Chick (Hi, Gangbanger Chick! You are cool! We missed you! Still no name, but at least you got lines this time!) was partly a callback to T2's "Hasta la vista, baby." I couldn't figure out if the look Gangbanger Chick gave her was just a general "yeah, whatever, weird white chick" or a more specific "that is really not the appropriate thing to say right now." I know hasta la vista is more-or-less-literally "See you later," and Gangbanger Chick quite understandably has no particular wish to see them again ever. But the verb involved in hasta la juego seems to be "play," which confuses me. Anyone know the deal with this phrase and able to enlighten me? Or am I reading too much into the moment? [All is clear now. Thanks, katie_m!]

John: There was not even the slightest question that he would leave his mother behind. There was not even the slightest question that Cameron would persuade him otherwise. It's almost cute that Sarah thought that had any chance at all of working.

Also, not that this is new, but there is not enough therapy in the universe. Just. *headshake* I've noted in various places that TSCC sort of barely scrapes by my "people facing the apocalypse on a regular basis had better show me the funny once in a while" rule, by virtue of a sly, dry sort of humor. As long as John in particular could still laugh, however ironically, I could still be with them in a way I couldn't maintain with, say, BSG. At this point, the margin by which they're scraping by is pretty slim, but it's still there. However? Not. Enough. Therapy. In. The. Universe.

Weaverbot: At this point I believe we've been seeing her true, anti-Skynet colors. As with Cameron, however, this does not necessarily mean the ultimate goals the "rebel" machines have in mind are necessarily congruent with human goals. Then again, since when have human goals been congruent with human goals? I've seen the possibility considered in several discussions that she's actually the same T-1000 from the sub, which would mean that either the answer to "the question" has changed, or that it's changed for her. And the one in the sub definitely had the feel of a spokesperson, maybe for its whole line. So did they subsequently change their minds en masse, or is there a split within their ranks?

John Henry: The obvious implication is that Cameron's chip was installed in the Cromartie body so John Henry could download onto it and be untethered from the experimental mainframe. So was Cameron overwritten entirely? Or has she been assimilated by John Henry? The latter would make more tactical sense, in that her data is invaluable. But if her data is her identity, can he absorb the data without being affected by the identity? All that talk about what made him him earlier, that wasn't just about a wire. How has John Henry been changed -- and how much of Cameron might still be in there? She literally joined them, but it will take (or would have taken) at least a good chunk of next season to discover what that means.

The future: That last couple minutes? The reveal? Dude, I'm running out of exclamations here. Derek! Kyle! Allison from Palmdale! (And there's no question in my mind that's who she is. That was not metal. And it's a clever solution to a problem that's been bugging me all season, to wit, Summer Glau's face has taken on late-20s angles and they're really at the limits of selling her as the same non-human "girl" we met in the pilot. It was really glaringly obvious next to that security still from the bank.) A FUTURE IN WHICH NOBODY HAS HEARD OF JOHN CONNOR OMG. John has never learned to be anything but the Future Savior of Humanity, the one for whom everyone dies. And now, in the blink of an eye, he's not anymore. His fondest wish has come true. What the hell does he do now??

Oh, and Fox? If you're going to plug the heck out of a Sooper Speshul Sneak Peek at T:Salvation? You should maybe possibly give me something other than the trailer I saw in the cinema, like, three weeks ago.



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Apr. 11th, 2009 10:40 am (UTC)
"Hasta luego," which also means "see you later."

And what the hell was she having him check in there, anyway? (And is it just me, or did it sound like it could have been done with her bra still on?)

I think that was her power source. ("If it feels cold then it can't be emitting radiation that's killing your mother!") But yes, I suspect the bra could have stayed on. I did find John's reactions through that whole scene hilarious, though. "Oh God. Oh God, now she's taking her shirt off. WTF? Augh robot boobies! ...robot boobies... I am a teenager, after all..."
Apr. 11th, 2009 11:13 am (UTC)
Ah! Thank you! I've heard it frequently, but never seen it written before, so my Google-fu was hobbled. My guess got hits, but I wondered if they mightn't be something else.

I think that was her power source. ("If it feels cold then it can't be emitting radiation that's killing your mother!")

This makes the most sense, but she was so damn weird about it. Y'know, even by Cameron standards.

Augh robot boobies! ...robot boobies... I am a teenager, after all..."

:: dies :: Yes. This. Exactly.
Apr. 11th, 2009 11:26 am (UTC)
Everything you said. Just...wow.
Apr. 11th, 2009 12:03 pm (UTC)
So... I finished watching this and my only comment is considerably less erudite than yours and goes something along the lines of...


How can they leave it *there*‽
Apr. 11th, 2009 12:08 pm (UTC)
:: pats you gently ::

It helps that I slept on it first. I knew better that to try to post right away. (Also, I was busy watching Dollhouse and then Stargate: Continuum.)

Also, I really am quite philosophical about unanswered questions in Terminator. A whole raft of new ones fired at me in the last five minutes is pushing it just a smidge, of course... %-}
Apr. 11th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
This was fun to read; thank you for sharing. I saw two halves of episodes, I think. Despite my fondness for the cult classic original, I just didn't feel this one calling to me in a set-the-VCR-for-it way.
Apr. 11th, 2009 07:41 pm (UTC)
There was a lot going on when it started! If that hadn't been the case, I probably would have been posting meta comments all along. As it is, it didn't really bite me with the discussion bug until a good way into this second season, just when I've been really too busy to discuss much of anything.
Apr. 13th, 2009 12:28 am (UTC)
This leaves me flailing.

A future in which there is no John Connor to save humanity? Wha? *points to movie* Wha???

How is he ever going to explain to them who he is... I mean, I guess maybe they'd be likely to believe anything, but damn. There's an awkward conversation.

DEREK!!! I'm inordinately fond of him. So I was oh so shocked last episode! Like... I dunno if it was worth continuing to watch level shocked. Except that now he doesn't know who John is... :(

He's going to have no idea what to do with Allison. Like, none.

Apr. 13th, 2009 11:16 am (UTC)
A future in which there is no John Connor to save humanity? Wha? *points to movie* Wha???

It may or may not be the same future. Probably not, all things considered. And I actually rather doubt John will stay there for very long.

I lovelovelove him being confronted with the one thing nobody has EVER considered: the survival of humanity without John Connor.
Apr. 13th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
I watch the show because I like the characters, and I like the cast. I try not to think about the bigger picture, because that has been irreparably broken ever since T2 came out.

I was generally disgusted with finale. I like Summer Glau, but I LOVED Cameron, and Alison is NOT a valid substitute.

I will say that, logically (if logic can be applied to the reality hash that the Terminator series has become), the final scene CAN still be reconciled with T1; John may have arrived JUST after Judgement Day, and still has the possibility of becoming the leader of the resistance, saving the world, etc. But John was always the least interesting of the three main characters, and I am not sure I care, anymore.
Apr. 13th, 2009 11:29 am (UTC)
I try not to think about the bigger picture, because that has been irreparably broken ever since T2 came out.

I go back and forth between ignoring it and playing with its brokenness. Assuming their base principle is branching timelines (which is borne out by things like Derek asking Jessie the date of Judgment Day -- he clearly believed, and I think he was correct, that she was not his Jessie in a very concrete sense), all the craziness is headache-inducing but not irreconcilable.

The realities of human aging notwithstanding, I don't really believe we've seen the last of Cameron if the show does in fact continue. If nothing else, she's too integral to the functioning and perpetuation of the myth of John Connor.

Which I think is a lot of what they're playing with at this point. Case in point: The future in which Cameron refused to let Jessie see him, which raises the question of whether he's still alive... or ever even really existed.

No one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Kyle Reese.

Back when the show started, brainiacfive was looking at the question of "Where did John Connor come from?" and the possibility that in going back, Kyle gave flesh to a myth. He said yesterday that this finale is a bookend to that, and I have to agree.

But John was always the least interesting of the three main characters, and I am not sure I care, anymore.

Well, and they chose to make the series the Sarah Connor Chronicles for a reason. Even when the focus is on John, it hinges to a critical degree on what Sarah has made him.
Apr. 13th, 2009 07:07 am (UTC)
Here via studiesinlight when I whimpered that nobody on my flist was talking about it.

What an amazing cliffhanger. I agree -- if there's no more, ever, then this was a hell of way to go, leaving us with so many possibilities. If there is -- well they could do some amazing things next season. (And considering some of the horrendous finales we've been getting over the past month -- BSG and LOM-US specifically -- it was nigh-miraculous to have a show go out on a high like that.)

One thing I'm a little fuzzy on -- does John *know* that Kyle is his father? I teared up when he turned up onscreen, but afterwards I couldn't remember if Sarah had ever let John know the truth.
Apr. 13th, 2009 11:13 am (UTC)
He does. I can't remember the exact logic string by which he figured it out, but he confirmed it out loud on that "birthday" outing with Derek last season. So Derek knew he knew at that point, and IIRC it was a couple more eps before Sarah also found out he knew. But she never told him.

So yeah, when Derek says John is wearing his brother's coat, John definitely knows he's looking his father in the face.
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May. 11th, 2009 09:04 pm (UTC)
I definitely think John is going to end up becoming John Connor, whether it's shortly after J-Day or not. And I'm not sure it is -- the implication seems to be that the resistance isn't just doing okay, they're doing better than in the other versions of the future we've seen. At least in terms of, arguably, the things that matter to being human. Derek was downright casual about this strange kid in their quarters, wearing his brother's coat. The whole group lacked that oppressive grimness under everything. No one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Kyle Reese, but they might well like hanging out with him.
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