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The Eight Doctors

Yeah, I finally caved and decided to read a book or two, see how it goes.

So far the story's okay. But either Terrance Dicks or the BBC line's editors apparently feel that commas are a scarce commodity that needs to be rationed. O_o

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brainiacfive
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
OMG, Worst Story EVAR!

Seriously, they get (for the most part) much better after that obligatory nod to every single story Terrance wanted to muck up in revision...
wiliqueen
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's got that feel. I was like, "Dude, your brief was clearly to introduce new fans who came in with the movie [were there any of those?] to the previous Doctors. But did you have to retcon little tweaks to the stories in the process?"

Not entirely unlike why The Sirens of Time sucks as a story, come to that. I've come to not expect much of anything that's obviously meant to serve a purpose other than simply to be a story.

I've just hit the Fourth Doctor section, and am terribly amused by the sudden need to flesh out the "State of Decay" planet within an inch of its life, when all the previous bits had this sloppy-fanficky sense of "Oh, you know the situation I'm talking about, right?"
therealjae
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)
I've come to not expect much of anything that's obviously meant to serve a purpose other than simply to be a story.

*filing away to be quoted at a later date*

-J
wiliqueen
Jul. 17th, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC)
:: is flattered ::

I guess it's one of those things we all know, but don't necessarily state as such. Unless it's something like "Pilots usually suck."
neadods
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:19 pm (UTC)
My advice is to bag the older books on principle and go read Winner Takes All, Stealers of Dreams, and maybe Feast of the Drowned.
wiliqueen
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC)
Ehhhh. I grabbed what came to hand first at the top of the box. Must. Organize. Library...
brainiacfive
Jul. 17th, 2006 06:49 pm (UTC)
Naw, just anything by Terrance Dicks... :-)

I'll set her on course with some of the meatier ones - Alien Bodies, Unnatural History, Interference (possibly the obligatory Vampire Science, though as an early Eight it's a little weak).
wiliqueen
Jul. 17th, 2006 07:15 pm (UTC)
I figured I'd ask you what would be good after this one. Once you were in the same state and it wasn't 7 a.m. with a void where my lunch-hour reading should be. ;-)

Also, we really gotta figure out what to do with the *$(#& paperbacks. Y'know, along with the (*$#&*($ videotapes... *sigh*
wiliqueen
Jul. 17th, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
what would be good

And more to the point, what order I should be reading them in. I grabbed a couple that looked interesting, and dropped them again because they mentioned original companions on the cover blurb, and I had no idea how well they might be introduced in the ones that weren't their first appearance.
brainiacfive
Jul. 17th, 2006 07:07 pm (UTC)
BTW, I hadn't noticed that all of the ones you suggested were the "New Series" books. We have none of those so they aren't in the list of ones for her to choose. Question, why bag the older ones on principle? A lot of the same writers participated, after all?
neadods
Jul. 17th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
A series of horrible memories of trying to plow through the New Adventures, mostly. I'm sure that there are good ones, but I don't know of any because I gave up on them ages ago.
brainiacfive
Jul. 17th, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
Ah...

New Adventures = 7th Doctor Virgin Adventures. All becomes clear. Yes, I've got most of those, though more for collectors sake than to read (maybe someday). Those were a bit all over the place in the beginning (the sometimes good, sometimes interminable TimeWyrm series kicked it off, IIRC). I understand they settle down and produce some quite good ones, but I only had to read some of the description synopses in the first I, Who compilation to realize they went a bit incestuous with their own continuity.

The EightDoctors is the first of the BBC line when they took back the license after the telemovie came out. Known as the Eighth Doctor Adventures (or EDAs, to distinguish them from the Past Doctor Adventures or PDAs) they got better immediately after Terrance's into to the series (but as an old time Target novel reader, how could you start a series without TD doing the book? Well, it seems they've discovered how with the new series, and that's not a bad thing, considering...)

There are some whoppers in the EDA line (such as John Peele's Legacy of the daleks, which attempts to make snse of the convoluted nature of Dalek history by inventing fake Skaro's to be blown up in certain episodes so that there could still be a Skaro in the future - no, I'm not kidding. Though having stated once that as a Doctor Who fan I eat temporal paradoxes for breakfast, I can understand the sentiment that went into the story), but for the most part they are the cream of licensed novelizations. I worked on my own submissions to the line and was on a writers support list for it for years (still am, I suppose, but it was shut down with the new series books which are invite only).

In other words, there is some stuff to look at in that whole pile, and the best doesn't suddenly emerge only when the new series started... :-)
neadods
Jul. 17th, 2006 08:32 pm (UTC)
the best doesn't suddenly emerge only when the new series started... :-)

Fair enough, I'm just utterly unfamiliar with the EDAs, having left the fandom by the time they'd come out. There's a rather large gap that I'm retroactively filling now.

On the other hand, I must say that Winners and Stealers are damnfine books in a fairly middlin' run of new tie-ins. The best is yet to be determined, but I was surprised at how much I really enjoyed those two.
brainiacfive
Jul. 17th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
I'm going to guess those include ones written by Lyons, Cole, and possibly Cornell, if he's back to writing them. I haven't kept up with the new series since they went invite only, but I know they were inviting the best of the EDA authors. If you like them, there are a ton of their older books to read. If you can find them. If you are in the states, you may be out of luck, since distribution was spotty for quite a while. And I never special ordered, so I stopped just before the conclusion of the EDA Time War, and never expect to be able to find the books now. A pity, but I've moved on...
neadods
Jul. 17th, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
Winner Takes All was Rayner & Stealers of Dreams was Lyons. So far I've considered Cole middlin'.

I'll be looking around. One never knows...
lyssie
Jul. 17th, 2006 10:53 pm (UTC)
Bah. The BBC books tend to be lacklustre, and Terry lost his intelligence round about the time he wrote Shakedown for the Virgin line (omg. Worst. book. ever--wait. Transit and Falls the Shadow were bad, too).

er. But then, I just finished White Darkness by Dave McIntee, and it's uttterly brilliant (and I should ramble about why it dragged me back to the NAs, too).
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