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Two things

One I can't say, and one I never imagined I would.

SPOILERS AHOY

Thing I can't say to my Office of Doom coworkers: "Sorry I'm a bit rubbish today, but I was awake half the night
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spoiler
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space
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Being Human 3.8
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because
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you
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do
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NOT
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want
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know
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grieving for a fictional vampire."

Thing I never imagined I would say about John Mitchell: He died at peace, surrounded by the people he loved, after a long and very full life.

Oh, fandom, what a wild, strange ride you are.

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ghostinsweats
Mar. 14th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
I don't really know what to say. It seemed kind of rushed and choppy to me and left me a bit cold.

However, this was my viewing experience--

Look for download. While looking for download, come across passive aggressive tweet that says "I can't believe George killed Mitchell" . Groan and hit self for thinking putting "Being Human" on Google in time-order was a good idea for finding a download. Find megavideo. Internet connection is so shitty that I have to watch for two minutes and then wait five every time. Lather, rinse, repeat. Eventually realize I'm really fucking tired and just want to know the circumstances of the killing. Skip to last two minutes. Sort of stare at it. Realize I am meant to be bawling and that I am even less human than Mitchell, probably. Go to bed.

I think I'm going to watch again before I conclude I'm a heartless bitch.

(I do have to say, I was expecting this, but I wasn't expecting them to do it in such a clear, irreversible way. Whether we see him or not, I would like to know whether he's going to be locked in Annie's little room with burning the key. Who says that wasn't another Lia mind game, though? Lot of red tape back there.)
wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 02:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, sweetie, that SUCKS. You're the second of my flist to have been spoiled. :-(

Ironic that the crew & cast successfully sat on it for all these months in the age of Utterly Inevitable Leakage, but the second it aired it seems to have been impossible to avoid. I stayed off Twitter & Facebook entirely yesterday afternoon & evening until I'd seen it, and of course the blog was a complete no-go.

Full post later, but I will say that I have some pacing issues, which I'm accepting (along with the intoduction of Yet More Vampire Bullshit in the person of Edgar Wyndham and the machinations he represents) because I don't know if I could have dealt as well with George & the others going through with honoring Mitchell's request on its own terms. I can see multiple sides of it, but there's too much of an extent to which it was his personal demons talking.

But as the only way to save him from outright slavery and the worst nightmare existence I can possibly imagine for him? No hesitation there. Go George.

Edited at 2011-03-14 02:27 pm (UTC)
ghostinsweats
Mar. 14th, 2011 02:35 pm (UTC)
Thanksssss. It was probably the official worst way to watch a series finale of all time. (Kanye: OF ALL TIME.)

No, I agree. It just seemed really quick.

It's funny, because obviously Mitchell's the one everyone's weeping over but this season has been CARNAGE--McNair, Nancy, Daisy, Herrick--it'll be almost an entirely new cast, aside from the regulars, next season. Which I'm sure they'll manage, it's just weird. I'm guessing next series will probably be the last. Since it's only eight eps, I don't think it's a bad decision at all to keep it going but I honestly don't know how they'd take it past that.

Aiding someone who is suicidal is always a tricky one. I don't think he was in any condition at the time to make that decision, no.

Also--is Aidan a troll or what? He's been talking up both his return and Annie sex scenes over the last few days. I mean, I suppose the latter could have been cut but I would sort of love it if he was messing with everyone. Trollll.

(However we feel for the show, this is good news for you! Crossing fingers for TT.)
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sabaceanbabe
Mar. 14th, 2011 07:03 pm (UTC)
But as the only way to save him from outright slavery and the worst nightmare existence I can possibly imagine for him? No hesitation there. Go George.

Yes, this. That's what gave George the courage to do it, I think.
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vaznetti
Mar. 14th, 2011 03:05 pm (UTC)
It was one of the best character deaths I've ever seen -- amazing.
wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 03:08 pm (UTC)
I'm just... :: flails ::

I have surprisingly completely-formed thoughts, but I don't know if I'll be able to make them coherent English tonight. Partly due to the whole disturbance-of-sleep-patterns thing. Thank heaven even my most ardently-loved shows only do that to me once every two or three years.
thanatos_kalos
Mar. 14th, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
::hugs:: I don't have much coherent either-- I'll rewatch tonight or tmw and try and cope. But I am so grateful he found peace and love.

I think on Twitter we should have a wake.
wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 04:16 pm (UTC)
I have too many spoilable folks on my Twitter feed; I'm being WAY careful there. I've already seen two LJ flist folks spoiled, and it's the LAST thing that should happen with. :-(
thanatos_kalos
Mar. 14th, 2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
*nods* We can hold off a week-- if we're going from George's perspective then we should sit shiva for 7 days anyway. Do you think that might be enough time for folks to catch up?
wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 05:06 pm (UTC)
I have specific people I know won't be able to see it by then. I'm going to hold to BBCA airing dates there. But don't let me stop you; it's a lovely idea.
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djarum99
Mar. 14th, 2011 05:14 pm (UTC)
"Sorry I'm a bit rubbish today, but I was awake half the night grieving for a fictional vampire."

I had a similar conversation with my mother far too early this a.m., as I am visiting her this week. Also had to explain what that strange icon was on her desktop, as I forgot to delete. It was worth it.

Thing I never imagined I would say about John Mitchell: He died at peace, surrounded by the people he loved, after a long and very full life.

*wails*

Excuse me now - I have to explain why I'm holed up in Mom's office writing fanfiction to cope.





wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC)
:: pets you ::
sabaceanbabe
Mar. 14th, 2011 07:05 pm (UTC)
I finally got to watch it this morning and it was heartbreaking. And because of the way it finally happened, I think I'm at peace with it, even if my eyes ARE all red and scratchy from crying.
wiliqueen
Mar. 14th, 2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
This. I can't call it wrong, but oh, man it hurts.
kirbyfest
Mar. 15th, 2011 12:57 am (UTC)
Is it the series finale? I didn't realize.
wiliqueen
Mar. 15th, 2011 01:01 am (UTC)
Only in the British sense of "series." They announced S4 today.

At least I shouldn't be complaining any more about everyone's lives revolving around Mitchell's problems...
wicked_plum7
Mar. 15th, 2011 09:27 am (UTC)
I bloody well miss him, and I haven't even watched the episode yet. I'm not sure I can...not yet.:(
wiliqueen
Mar. 15th, 2011 12:25 pm (UTC)
If you already know, you have the worst of it. You should have the best.
diannelamerc
Mar. 17th, 2011 08:21 am (UTC)
Aw hell, Val. :( We haven't even started 3rd season.

Spoiler warnings next time? :(((
wiliqueen
Mar. 17th, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
Oh, God, no.

My cut-tag shows up for me as: ( Spoilers for Being Human 3.8 'The Wolf-Shaped Bullet' )

Did LJ fuck us over???

This is the absolute LAST thing I want anyone spoiled for ever! I am so, so sorry. Fuck.

Edited at 2011-03-17 02:12 pm (UTC)
diannelamerc
Mar. 17th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
When you get alerts that "wiliqueen has made a new post titled "Two Things"" the link takes you directly to the page. There's no cut tag at all (those only show up on FL posting aggregate pages, not anywhere on the entry itself).

I've been avoiding anything that referenced BH in the title, but if you subscribe to your "feed" by email, like I do (because I am always behind) it doesn't even leave evidence there is a cut tag.

Sorry for being so short: I should have realized you would have cut-tagged, and I know going directly by a direct link to the post evaporates a cut-tag, but I'm used to something in the title cluing me (or being able to bail as soon as I saw the topic...this was too short for that, by the time I knew what you were talking about it was too late).

Sucks, but it wasn't really your fault: I have to rely on the header for clues as to what's safe if I'm behind for anything, and I know that carries risks. :(
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brightknightie
Jun. 5th, 2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
UK BH S3 E8
I'm sorry for your fannish loss. Late sympathy! Late virtual hugs!

You miraculously succeeded in keeping me unspoiled all this time. Congratulations!

I am, to my surprise, satisfied by this "Dark Phoenix" ending. Mitchell's death and its manner. George, Nina and Annie turning as one to defy New Bad Guy. I want to rewatch this episode. I think New Bad Guy is probably a huge mistake, but that's next season's problem. This season... has a surprisingly satisfying end. It diverges from many themes, but it fulfills others.

I'm truly sorry that I don't find much fannish grief for Mitchell in me. I didn't actually cry. I wish him well for his doubtless extended stint in Purgatory, but I was feeling so very "Stan Lee re: Dark Phoenix" about him by the end. You know? He had to die. He not only had to be stopped, he had to be redeemed on a scale that in story death-sacrifice provides as little else. So my emotions were with George and the others (as when Jean dies they're with Scott and the others).

And of course dead does not necessarily mean gone in this universe. We shall see, won't we?

It was a bit disorienting to hear Mitchell articulate, at different points throughout the episode, all the reasons I had internalized that his character had to be put down within the story. Good for him. I had not suspected that self-awareness, and I like that I can tie it back to his truncated attempt to get absolution from Annie at the start of the season.

(I imagine that the woobiefiers imploded as their boy contradicted them on screen. Poor kids.)

But I am putting too much here that doubtless belongs with your next post! Moving right along...
wiliqueen
Jun. 5th, 2011 11:49 pm (UTC)
Re: UK BH S3 E8
I'm sorry for your fannish loss. Late sympathy! Late virtual hugs!

Thank you. I think I spent at least twice as much time participating in the discussion on the BBC blog in the week after this ep as I had for the entire previous run of the show combined, and it was good to have. But it's nice to have closer friends catching up!

You miraculously succeeded in keeping me unspoiled all this time.

I gave some serious thought to whether I should, but recalling what you said at the end of last season, it didn't take long to reach the conclusion that -- despite being a surprise -- it would be satisfying to you and not need warning for being upsetting.

I'm still absolutely gobsmacked that they managed to keep it from fandom until the episode aired! There was all manner of speculation that oh, he'd get "killed," but there'd be some sort of trick to it... and then there was this. Which absolutely nobody in fandom (that I saw) put forward as a possibility.

I think New Bad Guy is probably a huge mistake, but that's next season's problem.

That's kind of where I'm at with it. I was rolling my eyes at him a lot, but I can't fault the critical purpose he served, and can't think of a better way to have accomplished that.

He had to die. He not only had to be stopped, he had to be redeemed on a scale that in story death-sacrifice provides as little else.

Exactly. And I weep for him, as for Jean, for the loss of who he was before and who he could have become if the risk weren't so far beyond the pale. I even had a stray thought at one point between seasons, that the BT20 was his D'Bari, but had forgotten it until now!

It's not coincidental, either, whether or not it was conscious. That's confirmed by the blog post Whithouse made just the other day, issuing a call to the fan community to come up with "officially unofficial" episode titles. To kick it off, he gave a name to each season arc, and S2 was dubbed... "God Loves, Man Kills." With the parenthetical annotation (a special bonus prize to whoever can tell me where I, uh, 'borrowed' that title from) (there isn't a prize). I happened to be checking my Twitter feed when it was posted, so I made the fourth comment. I'm curious whether he expected to be pegged quite that quickly, though he really should have. :-)

Now that you have seen it, I can write the post I've been mulling for my pro blog, about the value of death in drama and how much is lost when it's diluted.

I also need to get back to the rest of my more fannish-level detailed meta here, as I've woefully neglected the rest of the family in my need to reconcile my emotional upheaval with the philosophical rightness of it all.

I had not suspected that self-awareness,

I hoped it was still in there somewhere, but feared that paranoia had pushed it too far out of his reach. That said, I do think he was articulating, and clearly identifying, a fair number of those things for the first time.

I imagine that the woobiefiers imploded as their boy contradicted them on screen. Poor kids.)

There's still a fair amount of holdout going on there, alarmingly enough. But certainly not for lack of effort on the story's part.

Edited at 2011-06-05 11:53 pm (UTC)
brightknightie
Jun. 6th, 2011 04:31 pm (UTC)
Re: UK BH S3 E8
>"...at least twice as much time participating in the discussion on the BBC blog in the week after this ep..."

I'm glad the forum was there for you!

Goodness, but this brings home the new model in which we all watch shows at such different times. (I'm eagerly following Doctor Who, but I can't afford it at this time, so I still haven't seen the last Christmas special, while you guys are all... spoiler-protecting me! ~g~)

>"I gave some serious thought to whether I should, but ... it would be satisfying to you and not need warning for being upsetting."

Thank you very much for your good care! Back in '97 Batdina decided that spoiling me on HL would be the best move, despite my usual aversion to spoilers. Richie's death at Duncan's hands is a very different situation from Mitchell's at George's.

You were, as you've seen, entirely right. I am upset within the story, with the characters, but not out here as audience. The creative team worked surprisingly into my expectations and preferences. I am happier with seasons two and three now, given this culmination, than I was without it.

I don't deeply mind character death the way many people do. I don't think it's built-up immunity from fannish experiences in FK and HL. I think that I simply enjoy bereavement stories; it's an important part of my life, so why shouldn't it be a part of the characters' lives? (I do mind pointless character death, though.)

>"I'm still absolutely gobsmacked that they managed to keep it from fandom until the episode aired!"

They could give lessons in leak suppression to corporations and governments. ~g~ A very impressive feat!

>"It's not coincidental, either, whether or not it was conscious. ... "God Loves, Man Kills." ... I made the fourth comment. I'm curious whether he expected to be pegged quite that quickly, though he really should have. :-)"

Good for you! ~g~ Silly man, him! They reissued it in multiple formats over the years, never mind online availability now, and recycling elements in the movies. It's iconic. And, oh, look, there's the oversized original on my shelf... ~g~

Yep, imo, the final scenes couldn't have yelled "Dark Phoenix" any louder if they had titled the episode "Greater Love Hath No [Human]" and indulged in voiceover narration to highlight the moral. ("It was more important to her that she die a human.") However, confirmation of open X-Men background makes me more concerned that the next season will actually turn to "saving the world" in some way, which is Buffyverse not BH. BH is domestic and personal at heart, obviously...

>"Now that you have seen it, I can write the post I've been mulling for my pro blog, about the value of death in drama and how much is lost when it's diluted."

If I've been holding you back, I apologize, and thank you again for your generous thoughtfulness! I will look forward to that post very much.
wiliqueen
Jun. 6th, 2011 05:08 pm (UTC)
Re: UK BH S3 E8
The apology is appreciated, but unnecessary. The germ of the post formed in my head with Lis Sladen's RL death so soon after Mitchell's fictional one, and how struck I was by the emotional impact of both on people who kept saying they "shouldn't" be so affected by the death of an imaginary person or of one they knew only by public persona. And I might have written it then, but for knowing there were more than you who needed to remain unspoiled, and that the topic of the post combined with a specific spoiler warning for BH would necessarily give too much away.

At least havocthecat, and possibly diannelamerc and lizbetann as well, have yet to catch up, so I'll warn them to stay away from the post just in case. But you're the one I know reads it regularly.

As for the confirmation of my longstanding suspicion that Mr. Whithouse is an old-school X-fan, to me it just means it's part of his writerly DNA. As it is of ours and many others', so I'm no more concerned about next season with that knowledge than I was without it. :-)

Edited at 2011-06-06 05:56 pm (UTC)
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