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Huh.

Considering getting out this afternoon, looking at movie listings. Robin Hood opened this week. I didn't expect to be wildly excited about it, but I didn't expect to care this little either. I'm quite 'meh' on the subject of Russell Crowe, but Cate Blanchett is an entirely different matter.

Then I saw the TV spots and the trailer, and absolutely the only thing appealing to me about either is the quick glimpse of Marian in armor.

I'm not their target audience (being, y'know, a girl, and them being Hollywood marketing types), but I'm very much the untargeted-but-generally-reliable audience that they don't realize they need. Betcha I'm not the only one reacting with utter indifference. Which makes me more interested in seeing the box office returns than I am in seeing the movie.

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stef94
May. 15th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
You know, I wanna be excited by this movie, but I'm not.
Like you say, the only thing that makes me go "I may wanna see this" is Cate Blanchett. And I guess I'm going to have to find the US trailer, cos the one I saw had less than a glimpse of Cate. Possibly wearing armour, but I couldn't say for sure. That's how "less than a glimpse" it was..

*ponders*

Maybe I should watch the uber-cheezy Kevin Costner version tonight ;-)
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
There's like half a second of her pulling her visor down.

Other than that, I think the TV spots might have a glimpse or two of her face, and the theatrical trailer has a line to the effect of "we're stuck sharing this room, you stay over there."

I think that's part of my lack of interest. They might have "Oscar Winner Cate Blanchett" plastered on the print ads, but if they're barely going to show her in the trailers, they're not interested in having me there. Why should I return the favor?

Maybe I should watch the uber-cheezy Kevin Costner version tonight ;-)

I should not love Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and her big vase quite so much, but I do anyway.
stef94
May. 15th, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
They might have "Oscar Winner Cate Blanchett" plastered on the print ads, but if they're barely going to show her in the trailers, they're not interested in having me there.

Yeah, I definitely got that vibe from the trailer I saw.. As someone else said, I would've been interested if this reimaging did an updated gender role swap, but the overwhelming amount of Crowe-Swinging-Sword-or-Shooting-Arrow in that trailer screamed "Boy!Movie, no girls wanted".

I should not love Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and her big vase quite so much, but I do anyway.

Totally!
She kicked some serious ass in most of her scenes :-)
Definitely need to watch this movie now ;-)
IMNSHO that version should be known as the "Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and Alan Rickman Version", not the "Kevin Costner Version" ;-)
amilyn
May. 16th, 2010 02:00 am (UTC)
And I'm still back in time with Robin of Sherwood as my favorite version, though I like Robin and Marian from 1974 as well.
wiliqueen
May. 16th, 2010 02:36 am (UTC)
Nothing is ever forgotten. :-)
amilyn
May. 16th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
I made special icons just to comment! (Actually, Juli made this one since GIMP was kicking my ass, but you get the idea.)
wiliqueen
May. 17th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
but the overwhelming amount of Crowe-Swinging-Sword-or-Shooting-Arrow in that trailer screamed "Boy!Movie, no girls wanted".

I don't actually mind that so much. I'm perfectly capable of being interested in a guy doing that stuff, if it's a guy I'm interested in watching. And not just because I find him hawt either. Of course, that last part means I really don't exist in Hollywood reckoning.
stef94
May. 18th, 2010 05:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I like a good action movie as much as the next person. But like you, I'm not =that= interested in watching Russel Crowe do the Gladiator (dark, tough, brooding, underdog becomes victor) thing again. Plus it feels to me like a sinful waste of talent to have Cate Blanchett be The Girl That Needs To Be In The Movie As A Crumb For The Girlfriends That Were Dragged To The Theatre.

Although I must admit that the pairing of Crowe and Blanchett in a historical setting is so.. unlikely that it does peak my interest enough to want to see the movie on DVD at some point ;-)
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wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 05:24 pm (UTC)
And see, that might have been interesting. I don't know that I would have wanted to see it in the theatre, but at least it might have been interesting.

Silly Hollywood.
sventhelost
May. 15th, 2010 04:46 pm (UTC)
I'm not even particularly interested in Cate Blanchett, so I have pretty much zero interest in this movie, except to see how badly it does, numbers-wise.
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 08:23 pm (UTC)
Usually if I don't care about a movie, I don't care about the numbers. But in this case I'm curious.
stoplookingup
May. 15th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
A big "me too." I'm a total sucker for traditional stories reinvented, especially when the gender roles are upended, and I was looking forward to this movie for that reason. But you're right - it doesn't look like it's worth the bother.
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 08:24 pm (UTC)
It does seem like they've maybe reinvented something -- certainly the voiceover in the trailer lays overt claim to it -- but I'm darned if I can figure out what. It's really a very muddy trailer.
lyssie
May. 15th, 2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Cate in armor and swinging a sword was about the only reason I was interested in it.
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
And y'know, if they had made the slightest effort to use it as a selling point, I'd probably be there with bells on. I'd probably end up feeling used, but I'd be there.

So maybe ignoring will work out best overall anyway.
therealjae
May. 15th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC)
I am excited about "Robin Hood"! Alan Doyle from Great Big Sea is playing the Bard!

-J
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 08:22 pm (UTC)
A worthy reason. Enjoy!
aceofkittens
May. 17th, 2010 06:00 am (UTC)
That's why I'm excited about it as well. :)

Also: It was evidently "expected" to place second behind Iron Man, and it did so.
darkmagess
May. 15th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
Me too! No interest at all, and this should be the kind of thing that gets my interest. And I even like Russell Crowe. :-/

Flickfilospher.com reported being hugely underwhelmed, too. Like they tried to squeeze a TV series worth of story into a movie, so everyone got like 2 lines of characterization.
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 10:47 pm (UTC)
Oooh, that doesn't bode well either.

And I just read cleolinda's reaction post, which is freakin' hilarious as always, but certainly doesn't make me in any more of a hurry to rush out and slap down my hard-earned cash.
maiac
May. 15th, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
My kneejerk reaction to learning there's another Robin Hood movie was, "Another Robin Hood movie? Why?"
wiliqueen
May. 15th, 2010 11:23 pm (UTC)
You're not alone; it's an excellent question. Though it has been a while. Even so, one should still have a solid something new to say before proceeding, and they really don't seem to.

In fact, according to cleolinda, they discarded several potential somethings new along the way, any of which sound more likely to have been more interesting.
brightknightie
May. 16th, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
My reaction to the commercials and previews has varied across the tiny spectrum between "Oh, that looks historical, what's -- Robin Hood? You're kidding!" to "That does not look or sound the least bit like Robin Hood, and no the one shot of the bow and arrow does not mend all sins."

Robin Hood is like Zorro and King Arthur and Superman with me. I will generally watch any movie incarnation -- and gripe about it after, sure. :-) But this one hasn't even convinced me that it wants to be a version of Robin Hood at all.
wiliqueen
May. 16th, 2010 02:35 am (UTC)
That seems to be the general consensus among those who've actually seen it, to judge from the comments on cleolinda's (spoilery, if you care; I didn't) post. It sounds like they made some very strange choices that would have been more effective if divorced from the Robin Hood name entirely.
yeopard
May. 16th, 2010 03:35 am (UTC)
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've been looking forward to it since I heard about it. I loved Gladiator and am looking forward to seeing what Ridley Scott does with this. I was actually surprised to find out that Cate was playing Marian...it doesn't seem like a good fit to me.
wiliqueen
May. 16th, 2010 12:49 pm (UTC)
I liked Gladiator well enough, but Scott is up and down for me.

Hope you love it!
irish_horse
May. 17th, 2010 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm looking forward to the film, and I'm not perturbed when there seems to be little Marian in the trailer. The movie, after all, is called Robin Hood, and men have a right to be heroes, too. When there's a movie called Marian, then I'll expect more from the Medieval Riot Grrrls.

Sometimes the story really is just about the guys. It happens. We can't expect all medieval settings to conform with postmodern feminism. You can't force history to fit our modern expectations and political correctness, and if a movie is going to go toward historical verisimilitude, then women will be getting their power they way they did then (with a few glaring exceptions): through their husbands, fathers and sons.

wiliqueen
May. 17th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
Sometimes the story really is just about the guys. It happens.

I know that, and I like plenty of them. I guess my post wasn't clear.

I don't even mind so much that it seems to have ended up being something that might have been better served being not associated with Robin Hood at all, but an independent medieval adventure.

A lot of it seems to be, as I said, that I'm pretty "meh" about Russell Crowe. Sometimes he's on, and I'm happy to watch him. This just doesn't seem like one of those times. I expected to get some spark of excitement from the trailers, even allowing for Ridley Scott being a touch heavy-handed sometimes, but it just didn't happen.

The only reason the slight spark of interest came from Marian in armor is that I didn't expect it to go there. Other than that, it just turned me off by seeming...muddy, is the best way I can put it. Maybe they really are just crap trailers, I dunno.

I'm not rubbing my hands gleefully for it to crash and burn or anything; I really am just curious.

(And now I have the Prince of Thieves music running through my head. I may be one of the few people on the planet who actually like that one for more than Alan Rickman.)

Edited at 2010-05-17 03:17 pm (UTC)
yeopard
May. 17th, 2010 03:23 pm (UTC)
(And now I have the Prince of Thieves music running through my head. I may be one of the few people on the planet who actually like that one for more than Alan Rickman.)


That's funny! I've been really looking forward to that movie, too and I had no idea that Alan Rickman was even in it! Hee!
wiliqueen
May. 17th, 2010 03:34 pm (UTC)
Wait, you've never seen Prince of Thieves? How did that happen??

Edit: Oh, wait, I think I'm being confusing again. PoT = Kevin Costner Robin Hood. I'm thinking you read fast and parsed Prince of Persia? Which DOES look wicked cool even though Jake Gyllenhaal is about as Persian as I am. Of course, this is from the girl with the HUGE soft spot for cheesy 80s sword-and-sorcery, so.

Edited at 2010-05-17 03:39 pm (UTC)
irish_horse
May. 17th, 2010 05:36 pm (UTC)
Prince of Persia definitely looks like it will be fun, even with Gringo!Prince Jake. :)

I love me a good sword-and-sandal action/cheesefest, m'self. ;)
yeopard
May. 17th, 2010 05:57 pm (UTC)
Whoops! Hee...you're right. I went to fast and didn't stop to comprehend what I read. Yup. Looking forward to Prince of PERSIA. I also agree with your assessment Jake Gyllenhaal.

I think movie casting is kind of funny that way anymore. Jake Gyllenaal is Persian in one movie and the guy that played Persius in Clash of the Titans is just as doubtful as a Greek. Did enjoy that regardless. I love me a myth movie.

I think as a viewer, I can forgive a person not looking like they're from a particular part of the world more so than I can get past the cast as a whole not sounding like they're from the same place. I never saw How to Train Your Dragon for the simple reason that it bugged me that from the trailers I saw, the kids all sounded American and the adults sounded Scottish. Hey? Aren't they all supposed to be from somewhere in Scandinavia?
wiliqueen
May. 17th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
Jake Gyllenaal is Persian in one movie and the guy that played Persius in Clash of the Titans is just as doubtful as a Greek.

Indeed. And they're all just throwbacks to the classic Hollywood swashbucklers and epics anyway. Yes, we should know better now, and with something like PoP, dripping in Oriental exoticism, the casting is the really the least of the problem.

Fortunately, "ooh, shiny" and "this is problematic on so many levels" can and do exist side by side, and our brains are capable of dealing with both. :-)

I didn't pay a lot of attention to the HtTYD trailers, but I did see several comments from people scratching their heads about the accents. So you are not alone.
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