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The End of Time, Part 2

Did not suck. This pleases me.

Ten is neither My Favoritest Doctor Ever nor Not My Doctor. It's been a pretty fun four years all told, and he deserved a good sendoff. After last week -- which was largely a mess and definitely meh -- I was worried that he wouldn't get one, so that was nice.

I'm still very much not on board with the whole "six billion Masters" business. It just makes no sense in-universe. I figure he'd think it was the coolest thing ever for about thirty seconds, and then you'd have, y'know, SIX BILLION MASTERS. Explain to me why any of them is cheerfully FOLLOWING ORDERS from the original???

I'm also scratching my head about Martha and Mickey. Wasn't she, y'know, engaged to someone else? Or did they do away with that in her Torchwood appearances? (Which I technically saw, but it was immediately following oral surgery and there was Vicodin involved.)

Other than that, though, it was a pretty darn good ride. I'm even okay with Ten's irrational fear of "death," which initially annoyed the crap out of me.

I was initially inclined to wish they'd left Timothy Dalton's identity implied, but on reflection, I'm just as glad to be spared fandom arguing for the rest of eternity about whether or not he was Rassilon. Not that he could really be anyone else, of course. I'm curious whether the High Council sprang him from his tomb when the Time War got really bad, or if it got so bad in part because of his return. Culture heroes are very important things to have...and to keep in the myth books where they belong.

Besides, there will still be debate for the rest of eternity as to the identity of the mystery Time Lady. I see the logic of the Susan theory, but I also have trouble buying her having any particular allegiance to Gallifrey. She most certainly would be a dissenting vote if circumstances had led her home for some reason, though, so there's that. I dunno.

Wilf is awesome, full stop. I salute Ten with him.

Me: Regenerating in flight seems unwise.
brainiacfive: He's done it before.
Me: It still seems unwise.
TARDIS Console Room: :: blows up ::

Allons-y!

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amilyn
Jan. 2nd, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
I was saying, "You really shouldn't regenerate in flight..." the whole time too.

I was enjoying and enjoying...until it just got to be TOO MUCH. I think it was about the time we got to the Gallifreyan Imperial Senate plus Gallifrey NOT bonking the entire solar system out of whack PLUS Vaderthe Master using Force Lightning to take out the EmperorRassiolon PLUS the Spock's Death hand-on-the-glass...and it just got overwhelming.

I liked the fact that the farewell to Sarah was overt; she knew, after all.

I like the idea that Rassilon, who had warned against the temptations and dangerous of immortality, was the one to be resurrected to lead them into the path of greatest danger.

I actually QUITE liked Ten's fear of death, the idea that, instead of soldiering on through, he's worn down from loneliness but not ready to go but emotionally weakened and afraid...and, perhaps, more aware than before of how near he's getting to his twelfth (not that ANYONE will remember that when the time comes...)

Seriously, Wilf rocks. I loved SO much of this...until it just went too far over for me.

Off to make my own post using chunks of this.
wiliqueen
Jan. 2nd, 2010 04:57 am (UTC)
I think I've just gotten so used to the Finales Of Everything AND The Kitchen Sink that this one didn't faze me at all. There were a couple blips of I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR. But not even the Force vortex lightning was in the same solar system as "now we clap our hands and save Doctor TinkerDobby."

Possibly I'm setting the bar a bit low there, but you know what I mean. :-)

And the farewells went on forever, but I couldn't quibble with them. My favorite may have been Luke snatched from the path of an oncoming vehicle... and then promptly running BACK into the street without looking.
amilyn
Jan. 3rd, 2010 12:28 am (UTC)
Teenagers = GENIUS.

I actually have chilled to the point of being copacetic with "Clap if you believe in Time Lords" and so fully expect to come quickly to terms with this one too.
wiliqueen
Jan. 2nd, 2010 03:46 pm (UTC)
Also, I still assume that the twelve-regeneration limit was artificially imposed, and thus no longer valid in the absence of Gallifrey (and specifically of the Matrix).

Mind you, the Doctor himself may not entirely know that for sure. Or he does, but fears what lies beyond the limit. I doubt the image that haunted him would be the Valeyard -- who was motivated by the limit itself -- but I'm sure there's a nagging voice saying the number wasn't arbitrary but chosen for a reason.

Edited at 2010-01-02 03:48 pm (UTC)
amilyn
Jan. 3rd, 2010 12:36 am (UTC)
Hmmm...I have no idea if the limit is randomly chosen (cuz I'm SURE the Gallifreyans would go with the idea of an "even dozen" you know...) or if there is a specific reason for that. It will be interesting to see if the Valeyard gets addressed or if he's from a splinter future time line that's now branched off or been turned back on itself.

I am also of the opinion that the regeneration limit is no longer valid in the absence of Gallifrey. In the absence of the Matrix and the Eye of Harmony, I think the TARDIS is now powered by a jury-rigged thing where the Doctor tied the heart of the TARDIS and ts power systems to the Earth itself, and I think that's been borne out by him going to the Rift for refueling.

That said, the Doctor has clearly heard the warnings against immortality from "The Five Doctors" and I like that he said to Wilf in this one that he's too old. I think that the concerns with the possible megalomania are legitimate and very interesting...and continue to be right disappointed that there wasn't more done with the Doctor losing it and mucking with a Fixed Point In Time, and I greatly regret that...especially when this ep started with him showing up all hat and lei and silliness on Planet Ood (the rapid development of which was ALSO not addressed). *sigh*
wiliqueen
Jan. 3rd, 2010 12:52 am (UTC)
I've always assumed the Valeyard to be from a splinter timeline -- even at the time of "Trial of a Time Lord" itself -- but the specter of him as a potentiality remains regardless.

And it's never really occurred to me before, but right after that we get Seven, who was if anything more mercurial and paradoxical than Ten. He'd just been confronted with the nightmare of what he could become, and he promptly did become more dangerous and unpredictable, closer to the clownish surface, than ever.

Which means... I'm also annoyed by the backing off the power trip after building it up, but don't think it can actually be resolved either. He's always going to have that demon to keep a handle on. And on reflection, I think I'd rather handwave it as "He's just pretending that tantrum didn't happen" than have seen an attempt to resolve it.

Edited at 2010-01-03 12:56 am (UTC)
amilyn
Jan. 3rd, 2010 01:40 am (UTC)
Good point re: Valeyard, Seven, and the hat/shades/lei being an over-the-top class-clown "Nope, nope, I didn't see a thing, I didn't" 10-year-old boy pretense. I like that wank.
thanatos_kalos
Jan. 2nd, 2010 04:45 pm (UTC)
I'm also scratching my head about Martha and Mickey.

Same here, slightly, though I was spolied for it.

Wasn't she, y'know, engaged to someone else? Or did they do away with that in her Torchwood appearances? (Which I technically saw, but it was immediately following oral surgery and there was Vicodin involved.)

Martha's TW appearances were s2, so before DW s4 (where she tells Ten who she's engaged to). In TW, she just says she has a boyfriend (with the implication of who it is). In Children of Earth they can't get hold of Martha because she's on her honeymoon (with whom is unstated); she was still with UNIT then. One assumes Martha got out of UNIT after the events of CoE (and probably because of them; even though UNIT weren't involved in the assault on Torchwood they certainly were involved in the rest of it). Given that Tom was a paediatrician and his actions in the Year that Wasn't, I'm wondering if he weren't killed trying to rescue/hide kids from the government's round-up, but I doubt we'll know for sure.
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