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This can't have been missed

Granted, I'm not in the fandom proper at all, so I'm probably just looking in the wrong places, but after reading a few reviews/recaps of the last Dollhouse ep, I'm kind of stunned that none of them have mentioned Dominic-imprinted-on-Victor shouting "Whiskey!" at Dr. Saunders. Thus effectively confirming that she's an active, as brainiacfive and I can't possibly be alone in having assumed all along.

Was it Topher who made the crack about Dominic's wanting a drink? Presumably deliberate misinterpretation there -- presumably something (probably Alpha) happened to the original Saunders, and they imprinted her on the disfigured Whiskey so she could be productively employed without being sent out on engagements. I say "presumably deliberate" because I can't imagine Topher not having been involved in that process, but apparently it would be news to somebody in the room. Probably Boyd. Maybe Saunders -- was the imprint tweaked so she expects that to be her face? If that's the case, she certainly knows now.

On a related note, I lost a bet with myself regarding the police alphabet designations they wouldn't use to name actives the night Topher made a throwaway comment about Foxtrot. O.o

As long as nobody's Golf. Or Uniform.

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darkmagess
May. 6th, 2009 10:05 pm (UTC)
Why would he all of a sudden call her that, though?

It does make sense that Alpha would have killed the doctor and that she'd be copied into a doll...
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
She is a pretty strong candidate for the mole. I think at this point every active with a name/lines has glitched at least once -- maybe it was a desperate attempt to jog her into some kind of action? He could even have been her handler.
mekkasimian
May. 6th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
MEK NOT IMAGINE *ANYONE* IN ROOM NOT AWARE "WHISKEY" AS RADIO CODE, GIVEN THAT EVERYONE IN AUDIENCE ALSO AWARE!

THEN AGAIN, MEK NOT CLEAR ON WHO DOMIN-VIC FOCUS ON WHEN SAY "WHISKEY".

EXIST PREVIOUS INTIMATION OF SAUNDERS-DOLL?

=M=


wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:06 am (UTC)
I wouldn't necessarily have pegged it as his focus being on her, but she was central in the reaction shot. And it was a pretty strong reaction.

I don't know that they've dropped any concrete hints. We've just assumed from the beginning that it was likely. Though the scarring itself is kind of a clue -- the trope of cutting a courtesan's face to ruin her livelihood. Which Joss is definitely aware of, since the specter of it was raised against and shot down by Inara in "Shindig."
katie_m
May. 6th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
Just the wrong people, I'd guess--I've seen it mentioned.
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
I figured. Good to have confirmation, though.
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wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
I love that they slid it in there like that. They know their fans are smart, and a lot of us would be wondering about her from the get-go. So it was fun to have this fleeting little thing to pounce on.
kevenn
May. 6th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
Wow. I had no idea. I know nothing about that alphabet.

Pretty cool!
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:20 am (UTC)
It took three for me to catch on -- Echo has been just Echo for the many months I've been hearing about the show, and Sierra just sounds like a trendy name. But then they did the reveal with Victor, and I didn't even finish the thought about how it was the same given name as the Lubov imprint before I went "Waitaminnit!!"

If I'd been reading the news & stuff before the show premiered, I would have figured it out right off the bat, because there was this rather elaborate smokescreen about how Miracle had been cast as an active named November, but that she was cut when they rewrote the pilot and they recast her as Mellie instead. Not sure whether it was a pre-emptive strike or damage control because they knew it had been leaked, but really quite a clever way to muddy the spoiler waters. :-)
off_coloratura
May. 6th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
Does this mean they can only ever have 26 actives?
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:23 am (UTC)
In each Dollhouse at any given time, probably. I don't get the impression there are even that many in the LA house we see, and presumably the others are pretty much the same. So it works. And they can avoid calling anyone Hotel.
off_coloratura
May. 7th, 2009 04:24 am (UTC)
I wonder if poor Tango is still standing naked in that closet.

And Kilo REALLY likes his pancakes.
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 03:06 pm (UTC)
*giggling a LOT*

And they really should have known better than to assign Romeo and Juliet to the same set of sleeping pods.
roseredathena
May. 7th, 2009 12:29 am (UTC)
I've seen it mentioned in a couple of places. Mostly in Dominic-centered comms. The first thing that raised a flag for me was when Inspector!Echo was interrogating personnel in 1X09 and she mentioned that Dr. Saunders hadn't left the Dollhouse since the attack.
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
We've suspected it from the beginning -- brainiacfive articulated it out loud the first time we saw her as "Well, I guess that's why she's not an active anymore." It just seemed to fit.

And there's the classic trope (with some basis in fact, unfortunately) of the villain (vengeful ex, spurned client, etc.) cutting a courtesan's face to ruin her livelihood. Which we know Joss is familiar with, after that exchange between Atherton and Inara near the end of "Shindig."
studiesinlight
May. 7th, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
>"the villain (vengeful ex, spurned client, etc.) cutting a courtesan's face to ruin her livelihood"

I've read at least two novels in which acid (or magic acid, by genre) was thrown at a woman's face to disfigure her for vengeance.

I'm not watching Dollhouse -- mind control squick -- so I don't know anything about any of this, but it crossed my mind that physical scars sort of work against the grain of the premise there. That is, a scar is evidence of what caused it, an indelible link to a time past, an etched experience. Reality.

Just a thought.
wiliqueen
May. 7th, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC)
Interesting thought. In this case, the scars on her face are from an attack by a rogue active (the official term for the "dolls") during his escape, which we're told only she and Echo survived.

The version of the story told presented far is that she was the same person we know her as (the in-house physician) when the attack happened. My hunch is that this wasn't actually the case. And the way they've conceptualized the imprints, the memories have to come from the scan of a real person (though the imprint personae are usually composites of the desired personality traits/skills/etc. -- roughly analogous to genetic engineering -- and they've built plot points on other facets of the person that come along for the ride). So the logical conclusion is that the original Dr. Saunders and Whiskey were both subjected to Alpha's standard M.O., but it's Whiskey who physically survived.

Those not watching the show due to various squicks are right to continue not doing so, incidentally, for all that I'm enjoying the puzzles it presents.

Edited at 2009-05-07 05:28 pm (UTC)
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